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Post by featphoto on Dec 15, 2005 14:37:38 GMT -5
Of course, there's always the opinion that I may not know what the hell I'm talking about. [/i][/quote] oh, it's more than just an opinion ... |
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Post by featphoto on Dec 15, 2005 14:40:02 GMT -5
And how do I know that he hasn't just been dropped from a helicopter that just took off?  'cause that's just plain ass clown dumb? (thanks, Bill) |
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Post by chadgumbo on Dec 15, 2005 15:41:35 GMT -5
Hey! I got your ass clown right here! Unbeknownst to all who were present that day, I was hiding in the grassy knoll with my own camera! Never let it be said that I can't back up my claims with solid evidence...   |
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Post by Mike on Dec 15, 2005 17:26:56 GMT -5
Unbeknownst to all who were present that day, I was hiding in the grassy knoll with my own camera! Never let it be said that I can't back up my claims with solid evidence... Actually that was an extremely dangerous devotion for several years after the assassination. Over 200 witnesses that "stuck to their story" mysteriously died afterwards. The first was Lee Bowers. A railroad switch yard controller in a tower behind the ole grassy knoll that stuck to his story that he watched two men take a rifle from the trunk of a Ford, lean over the fence, wait until he came along, and then shoot JFK. When he wouldn't agree that he had "bad eyesight", he died within two weeks at the age of 38. That list goes on and on. Oh..Dallas Police records show that they attempted to question these two men as they were leaving and were shown Secret Service badges and told to get lost! The British ran a computer model on the odds of these deaths with age, lifestyle, location, health, ect taken into account. The odds came out at 100,000 Trillion to One. I worked for many years around and got to know some of the Doctors at Parkland Hospital that were on staff in the ER that day. The secret service pulled guns on them as JFK's body was removed, or as they say "the evidence was stolen!!!" It's a state law that an autopsy is performed in the county where a murder occurs, and the Dr's were trying to enforce that when they were held at gunpoint. Needless to say, the FBI never liked their reports of examination from that day, and would contact them annually to ask if they wanted to change their reports. They didn't know for 25 yrs that the "official" reports directly conflicted to their findings. Dr. Baxter died last year, and he was one of the last to go. I had not seen him for four years, but I was always fascinated by his stories of being held up against the wall by secret service agents, and how their reports were never admitted into evidence or even reviewed by The Warren Commission. Did you know that the inventors of "the magic bullet theory" are Gerald Ford and Arlen Spector as members of TWC. I had done lots of hunting at that point and I guess my best "tip off" was this bullet they claimed did "figure 8's" through two people sitting in a limo, then "found" on a stretcher at Parkland in perfect condition. For all of the crap it caught, Oliver Stone's JFK is as factual as it gets (with the one exception being the Donald Sutherland character), yet it only scratched the surface. And a good book, that names names is High Treason. I was just 13 when they killed my last American Hero and that's why when someone asks me if I'm a liberal I tell em..."Hell no! I'm a radical and if you had any sense, you would be too!!!" BTW- In case anyone is interested...that's the day the corporations began to take over our government. |
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Post by featphoto on Dec 15, 2005 19:22:16 GMT -5
Actually that was an extremely dangerous devotion for several years after the assassination. Over 200 witnesses that "stuck to their story" mysteriously died afterwards. The first was Lee Bowers. A railroad switch yard controller in a tower behind the ole grassy knoll that stuck to his story that he watched two men take a rifle from the trunk of a Ford, lean over the fence, wait until he came along, and then shoot JFK. When he wouldn't agree that he had "bad eyesight", he died within two weeks at the age of 38. That list goes on and on. oh please, let's not venture into this particular asylum ... there are scores of "theories" that deal in conspiracy ... the government, big business, the mafia, persons from porlock ... there are books full of "facts" and just as many "facts" that prove them wrong ... it really boils down to this: those who believe that the government conspired to either kill Kennedy or cover up the truth will believe the alternate theories, those who don't have such thoughts of conspiracies won't believe it, and neither side will ever[/b] listen to the other except to call them crackpots, dupes, etc. hey, the truth is either out there already or forever locked away in secret files and the memories of assassinated witnesses ... never mind agreeing to disagree, lets just let the likes of Oliver Stone beat on this dead horse ... |
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Post by Mike on Dec 15, 2005 19:52:05 GMT -5
assassinated witnesses ... never mind agreeing to disagree, lets just let the likes of Oliver Stone beat on this dead horse ... Sorry Hank. This is what originally lit my fires of Inquisition as a young man. Personally I don't have any more questions about this particular tragedy. And I don't care to argue, agree, or "agree to disagree" about it. But I do submit that there is the strong possibility that it was a dastardly deed done by someone other than Lee Harvey.... Some care; some don't.  I won't raise it's ugly head again, but my interest in this little "event" will die...when I do. And once again...here's a dead horse for ya: The British ran a computer model on the odds of these deaths with age, lifestyle, location, health, ect taken into account. The odds came out at 100,000 Trillion to One that these particular 200 witnesses would die in the style and time that they died. |
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Post by featphoto on Dec 15, 2005 21:30:17 GMT -5
And once again...here's a dead horse for ya: The British ran a computer model on the odds of these deaths with age, lifestyle, location, health, ect taken into account. The odds came out at 100,000 Trillion to One that these particular 200 witnesses would die in the style and time that they died. Mike, Mike ... now you're repeating yourself (not a good sign) ... "The British" ran a computer model eh? what British? which computer experts, with what credentials, with what data? sounds like Joe McCarthy's tactic: "I have a list of communists in my hand ..."; turned out to be a blank piece of paper. it's the same old tired argument that fringe theorists have always used (except now there's a new twist: the "intelligent design" people use it too). it's also a basic fallacy: because there's a statistical anomaly, or there's a gap in the scientific record, or there's bits & pieces that can't be explained with the available data, therefor it proves[/i] that the truth lies elsewhere. if there really is[/b] a deep conspiracy somewhere to hide the truth, whether it be Kennedy's assassination, aliens in Area 51 in New Mexico or whatever else, the masterminds must surely be thankful for such half-baked science and illogical declarations of the Oliver Stones of the world ... it so muddies the waters that the real truth, if it's out there, is drowned out by the chanting. |
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Post by Mike on Dec 15, 2005 21:47:32 GMT -5
[/b] a deep conspiracy somewhere to hide the truth, whether it be Kennedy's assassination, aliens in Area 51 in New Mexico or whatever else, the masterminds must surely be thankful for such half-baked science and illogical declarations of the Oliver Stones of the world ... it so muddies the waters that the real truth, if it's out there, is drowned out by the chanting.[/quote] They are. In fact the Karl Rove's of the world have made brilliant careers out of it. Area 51 is in Nevada. |
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Post by featphoto on Dec 15, 2005 22:13:45 GMT -5
right ... a missing conjunction ... was meant to have read "Area 51 and in New Mexico" |
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Post by Mike on Dec 16, 2005 16:46:01 GMT -5
Somethings got em concerned. From the AP: Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle has subpoenaed two officials at the Free Enterprise Fund in connection with ads the conservative group has run criticizing him for his indictment of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.). The ads attacked Earle, who has a history of indicting his political enemies in both parties, comparing him to an attack dog.
The draft subpoena served to the organization demands that FEF communications director Todd Schorle and executive director O'Brien Murray testify in Texas at DeLay's change of venue hearing on Dec. 27 -- the Tuesday after Christmas.
In the subpoena, Earle also demands "any and all documentation regarding the advertisements that have been produced or paid for by the Free Enterprise Fund."Aside from the massive ad campaign in Texas, which Cheney is doing fund raisers to help pay for, Dubya, in a press conference states that "he feels that Delay is completely innocent." His whole staff has refused to comment on the trial, and even Scott McClellan has stated that "they can't comment on it for obvious reasons" but..."Numbnuts" goes ahead and says what he can, to do all he can to compromise the trail any way he can. The President!  Their intent and actions are basically jury tampering, and they want to get the venue changed away from Austin where "their kind" are waaay outnumbered and folks there tell em..."control this!" Don't we wish these guys would be this aggressive when it came to assisting and fund raising for every American citizen. |
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Post by Scott Hays on Dec 17, 2005 8:53:30 GMT -5
Mike ... when you said "Don't we wish these guys would be this aggressive when it came to assisting and fund raising for every American citizen", it started me thinking ... again ... about public schooling and the so-called "achievement gap" that shrub and his puppeteers use as the basis for standardizing and ultimately privatizing our schools. Sorting and ranking kids (and schools) by performance on a fill-in-the-bubble test of things not all kids hold to be important leads to toxic notions that an "achievement gap" exists. But how come they never talk about, let alone do anything to eliminate, the real "gaps" that affect urban children ... like the family income gap (Give any average city kid one-tenth of the resources it took to create George W. Bush and keep him from prison during his "wild oats" years, and any kid could do much better... )
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Post by Mike on Dec 17, 2005 13:02:49 GMT -5
(Give any average city kid one-tenth of the resources it took to create George W. Bush and keep him from prison during his "wild oats" years, and any kid could do much better... ) You could fund an education system just on what the little rich boy spent on coke and parties. And that's just while he was avoiding Viet Nam. Don't get me wrong...I did too. But then I'm not assassinating the character of hero's that went and sacrificed just to manipulate a few votes. |
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Post by Mike on Dec 17, 2005 15:44:55 GMT -5
From the AP:
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Saturday that senators who are blocking renewal of the terrorism-fighting Patriot Act are acting irresponsibly and standing in the way of protecting the country from attack.
I think maybe they are realizing that we need protection from attack by this Administration From Hell!!!
(psssst...I wonder if they are listening right now?)
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Post by chadgumbo on Dec 17, 2005 23:38:05 GMT -5
Mike, if the White House has been monitoring the LFMB at all... I guarantee YOUR PHONES are tapped! ;D Sleep well my friend |
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Post by jashley on Dec 18, 2005 11:43:51 GMT -5
Hoy Hoy All,
I shouldn't watch the Sunday morning pundit shows, they just get me all worked up. Bill Kristal is the latest to p*ss me off. What does this President have to do to be honestly judged by these so-called conservatives? It seems that the only criteria left for being conservative is that you be a hawk, a religious nut-case, and that you favor the president be promoted to king (as long as he is a republican). Because of the excesses of the Nixon administration, congress passed laws supporting the constitutional ban on spying on American citizens without due process of law. (Condalezza just told me the president is using a program called FISA). But under FISA a special court has been established to oversee telephone and yes internet communications taps. These can be approved in hours, not days not months (they are very rarely denied) and can be approve after the fact in certain circumstances. The framers of the constitution were well aware that the more rights citizens have the more difficult it is to maintain order, this is one of the oldest principles of political science. This is again an example of Jr thinking he is smarter than T. Jefferson. He isn't. What rights are we going to be asked to give up next to fight this so-called "War on Terror"? What rights are going to be sacrificed to the memory of 9/11? Reports include spying on a Quaker prayer group because they are, of course, wild eyed peaceniks. Is this real life enough for you BillL? Bill Kristal again tried to say that Bill Clinton's (another conservative requirement, you have to believe that Bill Clinton was the devil) didn't spy on our citizens was the reason we did not have the intelligence to stop 9/11. Well, Clinton's people gave Condalezza a report, one of many, that was titled "Ben Laden determined to attack inside the United States" that detailed an attack by hi-jacked airliners. But she testified before congress that she didn't know that her job as NSA included domestic security 9 months after she took the job, she also claimed she thought the above report was for historical context, what an idiot. Oh yea, that's why she was promoted to the third highest post in the executive branch of our government. Maybe this incompetence was why the attack succeeded and not a lack of spying on our citizens? At the risk of repeating myself; why is this administration so afraid of judicial oversight? If we destroy the civil rights of our citizens to defeat terrorism we have already lost. Conservatives supposedly are in favor of defending the constitution, limiting the power of government, fiscal responsibility, overwhelming need befor foreign intervention, and personal freedom; the facts seem to prove that this administration believes none of the above. Maybe they are the dirty liberals the media loves to vilify.
Another misrepresentation in the press. So-called "conservatives" have been citing a poll that says that Iraqi's 69% to 31% believe the are better off now. The poll really asked if the Iraqi's believed they are better off now than under Saddam Hussein. In other words 31% of Iraqi's still prefer one of the worst dictators in history to us. Capture hearts and minds huh. He probably didn't have 31% approval when he was in power. Come to think of it Saddam's approval rating among Iraqi's will probably soon pass Jr's approval rating with Americans.
Congratulations to congress for refusing to renew some of the more egregious provisions of the "Patriot Act". As this was a bi-partisan effort maybe there is hope for a little integrity among the Republicans.
Be back the next time I'm p.o.ed.
If I don't get a chance to get back here before the holidays, I hope everyone has a great Holiday. Happy Christmas...Happy Chanuka...Happy Holidays... Whatever fits.
Peace
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