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Post by Scott Hays on Jan 8, 2005 15:05:23 GMT -5
I did write to Barbara Boxer about supporting the challenge to certifying the Ohio vote, ironically before I read your request ... Travus T Hipp, "official" commentator for KPIG radio, began the 7:00 news program with an announcement that the certification was going to occur and that he doubted if a single U.S. Senator would have the cajones (his word) to stand up and be counted, citing the 2000 election when not a one of those flipping jerks would support the impassioned pleas from Floridian Representatives to challenge the Florida vote. So I wrote. Boy, was I surprised to come home from work and see that she actually did it!
It came to no good, of course. Boy, am I getting tired of hearing Republicans say "get over it!" I wish that jerk in Washington (state) -- Rossi, would get over it. How come he was willing to accept a machine recount (which had his lead shrink from 241 votes to 49), but cannot accept a hand count?
Finally, to add something new ... what do people think of the revelation that the Deptartment of Education contracted $240,000 to a black conservative news commentator to promote the No Child Left Behind Act? Or that it paid $700,000 to Ketchum, Inc to create a rating system of journalists in terms of the warmth or coldness of their reporting on NCLB? Ketchum, incidentally, is the same company that DOE funneled the money to Anderson. And is this connected, in any way, to Dept Health and Human Services paying for the production of commercials posing as news stories promoting the new Welfare laws?
Of course, every administration has had "favored" or "receptive" journalists through which it has funneled the infamous "trial balloons", passed off as legitimate news stories. Is this the same thing, or is it something significantly different, just being parsed as something similar to the ways things are "always" done.
Parsing is a strong point of this adminstration. "Torture" isn't really torture; or terrorists aren't really "combatants", so rules against torture don't technically apply to them; or hatchery salmon are doing really swell in terms of population, so laws protecting wild salmon habitat can be relaxed; or global warming is a natural occurance, so we don't have to do anything to curb or reduce human contributions to the atmosphere (etc. etc.)
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Post by Scott Hays on Jan 9, 2005 10:05:43 GMT -5
Seldom have I been so fortunate as to post back-to-back messages in this thread (and then, only because I forgot to say something in the one I just sent), but I come here today and voila! ... I want to throw some kerosene on the Ohio fire (hee hee). As far as I can tell, there are only two states that somehow think it is ethical for the serving Secretary of State (the person responsible for overseeing the fairness, and legality, of elections) to simultaneously serve (pimp?) as co-chair of a Presidential election committee. Both individuals are Republicans, and both became embroiled in election scandal. As if that weren't bad enough, now Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell (Ohio) -- who is seeking election as governor in 2006 -- sends out a letter seeking illegal campaign contributions. Today (Jan 9), the Washington Post says that a pledge card contained in a letter from Blackwell seeking donations stated that "corporate and personal checks are welcome". Corporate donations are illegal in Ohio. Members of Blackwell's election committee are falling over themselves, Marx Brothers style, trying to excuse the gaffe -- Carlo LoParo (spokesman) said any corporate donations will be returned; Jeff Ledbetter (campaign fundraiser) said the printer used a template for an "issue committee", which are allowed to solicit corporate donations; Blackwell (himself) waid the request was an "oversight". Perhaps it is nothing more than a simple, excusable error. If so, then why do three different people say three different things? More importantly, I think it is an error of arrogance bred of being able to stomp all over laws and morality in other situations -- a heady atmosphere that power mongers relish in, and find hard to rub in people's noses.
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Post by jashley on Jan 9, 2005 16:47:05 GMT -5
Scott,
First of all thanks for your help. Don't feel too bad that the challenge to the Ohio vote didn't hold up. No one thought if would. The point was to force some light on the problems with the Ohio vote and this was a great start. Again go to the site I listed above for a few of the questions being raised about the vote. We have had a recount in Ohio but NO INVESTIGATION into voting irregularities, there is a case in the Ohio courts as we speak to try to force such an investigation.
As far as the Repulicans and their get over it chant. Carl Rove protested a close election for Judge in either Alabama or Georgia for over a year and still lost badly. These guys must think were stupid.
The Gonzalez appointment is so typical of this administration. It doesn't bother me so much that he would write opinions favoring terroism it's that it is clear that this political hack would write an opinion upholding any opinion that Jr told him to.
Gotta run, will get back soon. BillL I need to hear from a thoughtful Rebulican about how you all can support this administration I am honestly perplexed.
Peace j ashley
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Post by Mike on Jan 9, 2005 22:48:56 GMT -5
Carl Rove protested a close election for Judge in either Alabama or Georgia for over a year and still lost badly. These guys must think were stupid. The Gonzalez appointment is so typical of this administration. it is clear that this political hack would write an opinion upholding any opinion that Jr told him to. Peace j ashley I've recently read that Carl Rove has already began to focus his evil genious on Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN) for 2008. Frist is a so-called Doctor, and his family were founders of the HCA Hospital Chain; the first to introduce the brilliant practice of accountants posing as doctors. In other words, they invented HMOs. I suspect that Frists motivation isn't so that he can help every Mother and Child. Yes, Dubya has about the most kiss-ass bunch of (here it comes Bill) zombies I have ever witnessed. I hate to say this, but it's not that "these guys must think we're stupid"...these guys are positive of how stupid too many of us are, and that's how they GET AWAY WITH IT!
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Post by Scott Hays on Jan 11, 2005 8:45:12 GMT -5
Well, accountants (and their two-headed cronies, the statisticians and the statistical-testing accountants known as psychometricians) are also running public school "reform". It is only through numerical mumbo-jumbo and selective data-manipulation that they are able to come up with the buzzword of "scientifically proven" to describe prescribed methods and/or materials of instruction. It is only accountants who can boil down learning to large-scale test results ... (1) if you take the average of all the kids taking the test, and the average turns out to be "average", then it must follow that we are only doing an "average job" of educating our children, (2) the items that can be measured on an objective test and given an accurate "score" are not exactly the most thoughtful examples of critical thinking or problem solving, so those scores measure something other than "learning", and (3) if we crunch the numbers properly, we can make assessments about what is best for "everyone", even though we know (both intuitively and with lots and lots of very real scientific evidence) that everyone is different, learns differently, and responds to different situations differently.
Why have mathematicians been elevated to such a high position of prestige and influence in our society? And do you think that their "reform" proposals (whether they show up in schools, in medical "reform", in the "bottom-line" of corporate downsizing, or in ideas promoted to win the hearts and minds of non-combatant terrorists) are in any way determined (in small or possibly even large part) by a desire to "get even" with everyone who called them a nerd in junior high school?
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Post by Tipi on Jan 12, 2005 0:30:14 GMT -5
Hi guys! Scott, I thought about you today, when my ten year old nephew was complaining about "no child left behind". His mom told him how proud she was of him for disliking the W. Then his brother (8yrs. old) asked "what is no child left behind?" I tried my best to explain that it is the current presidents attempt to make american kids as smart as the kids in the rest of the world by constant testing, as opposed to spending all that money on the schools themselves. "Well that's stupid." was the only oppinion he could muster. I Love my nephews like their moms. Oysterears, maine rocks. The doobies never did me like the Feat, but they sure recorded a disproportionate number of the songs that when I hear, I can't help but sing along with! hehehe Gary, Fred I am sure got a knock on the door from a public servant ... "Are you rocking Topanga Canyon Again?!" Oh ... and Ms Murphy can be MY guest any time she wants. Keep each other happy! T
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Post by jashley on Jan 12, 2005 19:21:35 GMT -5
Tipi,
First of all I have to congradulate your nephews for being so smart so young, and catch on really quickly too. I think I mentioned a long time ago the special that PBS ran on the abuses of the so-called successful no child left behind ed. program, kids forced out of school or into LD classes (and many other abuses) so administrators would not have to COUNT thier test scores. This program should be "let's keep the kids easy to teach and leave everyone else behind (or should I say sacrifice) (or we'll lose our federal money) program". It's amazing to me how long it has taken the so-called main stream liberal (?) media (not nearly as fast as your nephews) to catch up to this story, I'm only now seeing stories about this in the papers.
Scott,
Thanks for the info about Fla and Ohio being the only two states to be dumb enough to allow the head (referee) of our elections to be involved in the election, I wasn't aware of this humiliation until you told me. Talk about not avoiding even the appearance of a conflict of interest. We see how this stupidity ends up, first Fla and now (oh the shame) now us.
What better way for Rove to defuse stories about Jr's National Gaurd "service" than to distribute fake proof that backs up the truth. Then you tear apart the documents and no one pays any attention that what the discredited documents was saying was true. There is plenty of proof that Jr had influence getting into and out early from his NG service. The widow of the man that supposedly wrote these reports even says that the information contained was esentially her late husbands opinion of Jr's service. But as soon as these documents were shown to be fakes (?) the content was ignored. By the way, where are the real documents, and who did the fakes? Now I don't know if Rove did the above, but if he did, it was a great move. As noted above they have proven how dumb Americans can be, we seem to have trouble keeping two ideas in mind at once and this was, if he did it, a move of political genius. Scary genius but genius none the less. I posted it elsewhere in the forum but Alix deTourqueville said an uninformed or uncaring majority in a democracy can do more evil than any dictator or tyrant could ever think of doing, he said this aroung 1780 and it's still true. If we don't get smarter as a people then we are going to lose or corrupt this democracy that we are so rightfully proud of spreading around the world.
It is surprising me but it appears that there is going to be a real fight over the appointment of Gonzalez, I thought it was only going to be one of those token fights. Please push and support your members of congress in fighting this boot licker. If we don't fight here then what is going to happen when Jr tries to shove Scalia down our throats for the chief justice post. That could be as damaging to our country as Jr's admin has been.
Who are you supporting for Head of the DNC? I'm supporting Dean because dammit we may lose but the things that need to be said are going to get said. I'm tired of being accused of being negative because I believe that this country can do better. When did wanting a better future become negative? The negative person is the one who doesn't believe a better future for our children is possible and the unrealistic person is the one who thinks we're perfect now (or ever will be). We can always get better and should always try to do so.
Lord Lord I do spout off so. Sorry.
Peace j ashley
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Post by Mike on Jan 13, 2005 19:12:04 GMT -5
Here in Texas we have a pathetic Dubya wannabe for Govenor. Rick Perry (or "Governor Good Hair" as Molly Ivans calls him) was actually Dubyas Lt. Gov, and is up for re-election next year. Apposing him in the election is...Kinky Friedman, if it's ok with "spongehead" Rush & "vibrating" Bill O. ;D What a hoot that would be!!! Who knows; anything is still possible.
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Post by jashley on Jan 18, 2005 15:38:24 GMT -5
Did you know that by the recent re-election of Jr we have all authorized the use of torture? The soldier who was recently convicted of abuse at abu grab (is that right?) said that if he was convicted that Rumsfeld and Jr should also be on trial as he was following their orders. Jr's reply. Because he has been re-elected that means that ANYTHING that was done in his first administration has been approved by the American people. What kind of nut case is this so-called president? Have we approved things we didn't know about? Have we approved things we were misinformed about (Did anyone else notice that Jr waited until after the election to announce that we have discontinued the search for WMD, because there aren't any (duh)? Kerry was the political opportunist?)? Have we approved things we were lied to about? Politics one oh one, even if people vote for you that does not mean they approve of everything you do (I have never agreed with any politician 100%), the President doesn't know this? I don't know if I'm appalled or amazed.
I have been listening to Condolezza Rice's confirmation hearings. She sounds like John Kerry. Build international alliances in Iraq? Work with the international community? International standards of decency? Is she a closet Democrat? Next she's going to say something nice about the UN or ACLU or maybe she'll call Pat Robertson a butthead. Is this administration corrupting good people or are corruptable people finding their way to this administration? I keep trying to like Rice and then she gets on TV and spouts some of the most obvious bullsh*t as an apoligist for this lieing administration that I hate her all over again. Do you think that Jr keeps her around to blunt the attacks on him because it is harder for liberals to attack a black and a woman? Yes BillL I do think this administration is that manipulative.
One last word on the Ohio election. Many politcal pundits are saying an investigation is not neccessary because it would not change the outcome. First they don't know that (there are 92,000+ ballots with no vote for president for starters) and that's not the point anyway. Many outside observers have noted that the Ohio election would not meet the standards for a THIRD World election. Is this the example we want to set for the world? Is this the democracy we want to export around the world? I will say it one more time, we do not KNOW who won Ohio, and that ain't the America I thought I knew and loved. Sometimes the process is as important as the result, everything ain't a football game.
Mike, Kinky is one of my favorite authors, pick up any of his books, if you haven't already, they are a real hoot. I would vote for the Kinkster just to see if Texas is ready for a bunch of Jewboys. Being a Texan you probably know better than I that the Govenor of Texas has little power, oh other than juicing people and becoming the President of the US. Please keeep us informed on this election it should be a fun party. If Kinky wins I might have to move to Texas, it will be final and incontrivertable proof that Texans are smarter than Ohioans.
Sorry to go on so but I have been reading a book about Shakespeare's time ("Will in the world, How Shakespeare became Shakespeare", it's really interesting by the way) and a thought occured to me. In all of history when religious fanatics of any stripe take over a society EVERY other aspect of society goes straight to hell. The inquistion triggered the dark ages, the roundheads killed the literary and art movement in England, when was the last time that a fundamentalist Moslem country produced great art or science. When people practice TOLERANCE all aspects (science, art, music, literature, philosophy and RELIGION) seem to flourish. Where are we headed? Jesus preached tolerance, love and grace, why are these nutcase fundamentalists taking over our country?
Hope I didn't bring everybody down, it's all going to get better if we keep our eyes and ears open and love our nieghbor. I promise.
Peace j ashley
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Post by Scott Hays on Jan 20, 2005 8:41:40 GMT -5
It will be really hard to bring me down ... it is just a little more than 4.5 days before I get on a big jetliner and head east, mon. Still, the gala surrounding this President's coronation is so disgusting in its oppulence and exclusionary point of view that today I am gladly joining the millions of Americans who will be celebration "No Damn Dime Day".
Have you heard about "No Damn Dime Day"? It is essentially a silent protest against the continuing war in Iraq. In its announced intentions, the goal is to have as many people as possible not spend one damn dime on anything on the day that this President is sworn into office. It doesn't matter if you are old or young, liberal or conservative, passive or active ... you can help bring a strong message to the political and economic leaders of our nation by keeping your wallet shut and speaking your mind with inaction. It's easy, and ... proving the old adage wrong ... you CAN get something for nothing.
As the promoters state in an email that is circulating the internet:
The object is simple. Remind the people in power that the war in Iraq is immoral and illegal; that they are responsible for starting it and that it is their responsibility to stop it.
"Not One Damn Dime Day" is to remind them, too, that they work for the people of the United States of America, not for the international corporations and K Street lobbyists who represent the corporations and funnel cash into American politics.
There's no rally to attend. No marching to do. No left or right wing agenda to rant about. On "Not One Damn Dime Day" you take action by doing nothing.
You open your mouth by keeping your wallet closed.
For 24 hours, nothing gets spent, not one damn dime, to remind our religious leaders and our politicians of their moral responsibility to end the war in Iraq and give America back to the people.
Personally, I see it as a little more than a protest against the war. I see it as a protest against the moral bankruptcy of our political and economic and even religious leaders. They won't speak out about the continued immorality of a war whose "purpose" changes with the wind, they won't speak out against the cozy partnerships between business and politics, they won't raise their voices to speak out against the ease with which power and influence can be purchased. At the end of Animal Farm, George Orwell tells us that it has become impossible to tell the pigs from the people. Watch the innaugural celebrations and see if you can tell the pigs from the people.
This vision represents precisely the type of behaviors that our moral leaders should be warning us against. It's as if everyone in the so-called Moral Majority is too busy sucking up to the money machine to realize that their moral superiority has taken a rather huge hit in terms of integrity.
Speaking of integrity ... did you notice who the only two Senators were who voted against confirmation of Conaleeza Rice yesterday? Yup -- Barbara Boxer and John Kerry! This woman, as bright and smart as she is, is a hack and syncophant. Heck, I only have a Masters Degree in History and only teach seventh grade world history (as opposed to her PhD and running an entire University), but I knew the silliness of the claim that a Shiite cleric who supports a religious state was somehow in cahoots with a Sunni political leader who favors a secular state. I also knew, without a doubt, that there were no wmds in Iraq or -- if there were -- they were there only because WE had given them to Saddam when he was doing our dirty work and we were happy to have him as a dictatorial partner.
I was glad to see that the Honorable Senator Boxer chose to stand her ground and not knuckle under to the obvious. Since Ms Rice would not fess up to even the most blatant of self-contradictions, Ms Boxer merely read an entire litany of them into the Record. You can go and read them for yourself. And then pat yourself on the back that the corrupt circus known as "Congress" will unanimously appoint a liar, a weasel-worder, and (I hate to think this), a blatant hypocrite into one of the most powerful positions in this nation's hierarchy.
And, before I tie records set by others for wordiness -- why didn't anyone ask her about Iran? I would really like to know what plans she may already be discussing about what we are going to do when individual or groups of Iranis are caught crossing the border to contribute their own unique skills to the "instability" of Iraq? Will we retaliate? Will we make surgical strikes? Will we send troops across the border to teach them a lesson?
How long will it be, in short, before we attempt to expand this Twenty-sixth Crusade against the infidel and impose a Christian monarch in the Fertile Crescent?
Hooray for mandates (or, at least, for those who believe they have one and can do anything they damn well please simply because they are number one). Let's vote on decency and integrity while we're at it.
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Post by Rollin' Mark on Jan 20, 2005 10:26:45 GMT -5
A protest against this war (IMHO) is a protest against freedom. Iraqis and Americans are fighting and dying so that Iraq can have the right to hold a free national election. The alternative is to pull out, let another tyrannical regime take over and go on killing MILLIONS who don't support their dictatorship (can you say mass graves?). What is really a tragedy, is that their aren't more countries backing us up. How does the saying go? “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”<br>Pacifism is not evil in of itself, but it causes evil to florish. Shame on France, Germany and all others who do not support us in trying to make the world a better place. Their reasons for not backing us were purely selfish and economic. If there was a politcal coup in France and a dictator took over and starting killing millions (re Nazi Germany) would we stand by and do nothing? I think not. We certainly ain't perfect, nor is our government or our leaders, but as long as we are considered the leaders of the free world, we have to accept certain responsibilites. Okay, I've ranted enough. Scott, Seeya in Jamaica where we will hoist a few and NOT talk about politics at all Agreed?
Peace, Rollin' Mark
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Post by chadgumbo on Jan 20, 2005 18:33:35 GMT -5
Imagine, five or six 4th grade boys. It's the day after Labor Day and it's time to go back to school. This group of kids decides to walk to school together, and they do it again the following day, and the day after that. The days turn into weeks and this group of kids have fallen into a very regimented routine. They know what time they're going to meet, where they're going to meet, and exactly how long it takes to walk to school. A couple of months have passed and now it's November 1st, the day after Halloween. This same group of kids is walking to school together just like they've done since classes began back in early September. Except on this day a 6th grade boy appears from behind a tree halfway to school. And he's not just any 6th grader. He's bigger and stronger than most kids his age and he knows it. He picks out one of the boys and says, "I know you've got candy (afterall it was Halloween just last night) in your pocket, now hand it over or else!" The 4th grade boy doesn't have any candy and he says so. And not only does he say so, but he REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY! This kid is in a bad spot. So the 6th grader who's big and strong for his age smacks the kid around awhile. The other boys in the 4th grade group are frightened and run on ahead without their buddy. Cowardly? Maybe, but they know they've just saved themselves from getting their butts kicked. The poor, roughed up kid never had a chance. He didn't have any candy and there wasn't anything he could do to convince the older, tougher boy that he didn't. So what do you suppose is going to be in the pockets of every single one of those boys who escaped harm the next day when they again make their way to school. You can bet your next Snickers bar that every one of them is going to have candy in their pockets. And that's the problem with our staying in Iraq. WE SAID that the reason we were invading is because they have WsMD. THEY SAID they didn't have any, and as it turns out, THEY DIDN'T. And yet we are still there. Instead of admitting that we were wrong, we simply put a different spin on it. Now the administration says we're over there because we needed to free the people of Iraq from tyrannical leadership. We're there so that we can allow them the freedom to vote for the leaders that they wish to put into office (conveniently they're people we have handpicked to be on the ballot). But because our initial objective for being there was to find WsMD, and because none were ever found, and because we are still there, and because we now put some other spin on the whole thing... and on and on... I just cannot help but believe that we are sending the wrong message to the other Arab nations. Like those 4th grade boys and their candy situation, I would be stockpiling WsMD as fast as I could make them (or buy them) so that I could A.) try and defend myself if necessary, or B.) have them on hand to turn over to the USA when they come looking for them. Libya is a perfect case in point. They surrendered their nuclear materials and not a single shot was fired inside their border. We rewarded Libya for having nuclear materials by not kicking their ass when they surrendered it to us. So how does Iraq see it? Certainly, some are grateful that Saddam has been captured. But many believe that we are trying to impose not only freedom upon them, but our way of life as well. They think we are trying to impose our values, mores, perhaps even our religion upon them. They don't want our Christian viewpoint. They don't want our values or anything else of ours. They want their culture and their way of life preserved. And they should have the right to expect that. The world does not have to be filled with smaller versions of the United States of America. Did Saddam Hussein, his sons, and all of his cronies in power get exactly what they deserved? You bet they did. Does an 8th grade boy who is a bully and a smart mouth deserve to get smacked around after bullying so many others? Perhaps so. Does he deserve to get smacked around by a high school senior who happens to be a starter on the school's football defensive line? I think not. It wasn't our place to remove Saddam Hussein from Iraq. I'm not defending the guy. He's a horrible, despicable man who does not deserve to be considered a member of the human race. I'm just saying it wasn't our place to take him out, at least not right now. Hans Blix said there weren't any weapons to be found. So what do we do? We make him out to be incompetent so we can proceed with our agenda. And lo and behold it turns out Mr. Blix was right on point. May I be the first to congratulate him for doing a fine job. The UN said don't go to war. You'll be doing it for the wrong reasons. So we just ignore them and make them out to be a substandard organization. Why be a member of the United Nations if we are going to just go our own way the first time we happen to disagree with the other members' viewpoints? Who do we think we are? On another thread I wrote a poem a few weeks back. It can be found on the "Pages in a Book" thread and the poem is called Promised Wives. It's perhaps not a very well written poem but it expressed a few things for me... the frustration our soldiers must feel after having fulfilled their responsibilities for their part in the armed forces, only to be asked to continue with yet another of tour of duty... it expresses my frustration that we feel we must impose our will upon Iraq... and finally the viewpoint of the Iraqi soldier who believes he will have dozens of virginal women waiting just for him in heaven if he dies in battle. As I said, I'm not much of a poet but check it out if you feel so inclined. There. I've vented. Happy inaugural day everyone! - chadgumbo
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Post by Mike on Jan 20, 2005 20:16:35 GMT -5
And that's the problem with our being in Iraq. WE SAID that the reason we were invading is because they have WsMD. THEY SAID they didn't have any, and as it turns out, THEY DIDN'T. And yet we are still there. Instead of admitting that we were wrong, we simply put a different spin on it. Now the administration says we're over there because we needed to free the people of Iraq from tyrannical leadership. We're there so that we can allow them the freedom to vote for the leaders that they wish to put into office (people we have handpicked to be on the ballot). But because our initial objective for being there was to find WsMD, and because none were ever found, and because we are still there, and because we now put some other spin on the whole thing... and on and on... I just cannot help but believe that we are sending the wrong message to the other Arab nations. There. I've vented. Happy inaugural day everyone! - chadgumbo From the way I see it, the problem with justifying this "cluster f**k" in your own mind and heart begins when you are tempted to believe anything this bunch of world class liars tosses out. It has to be seen for what it is. RAPE...wildcatter style! ;D
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Post by chadgumbo on Jan 20, 2005 22:05:40 GMT -5
You're absolutely right Mike! It is a cluster f*** and they know it. And so they spin out their bullsh**. They want us to believe that Afghanistan and Iraq are the same thing. THEY ARE NOT! Afghanistan was home to the terrorist organization that attacked New York City and Washington D.C. on September 11, 2001. And so we went hunting for al-chaida in Afghanistan, and we need to continue to hunt for those criminals and chase them all the way to the bowels of hell. But in our frustration to locate and capture al-chaida's #1 man, Osama bin-Ladin, we suddenly needed an easier target. We needed to pick on someone whom we knew exactly where to find him. It didn't matter that he hadn't tossed a scud missile into Israel for about a decade. It didn't matter that we had defeated him in Kuwait a decade earlier. Suddenly that war wasn't over for us. We needed a victory and in we went again. I don't know what the biggest irony of the 20th century was. OJ Simpson's promise to search for the 'real' killer must rate right up there. But I do believe that the biggest irony of this young new century is that George Bush won the 2004 election because he garnered the morality vote Are we really that insipid as a nation? The man kicks off his $40 million party by going to a prayer service this morning. Oh please! Texans know how to 2-step (sorry Mike), so GW does his little conservative values dance, his no stem cell research dance, his anti abortion dance, his I'll wear my religion on my sleeve for all to see dance, and we fell for it hook line and sinker! And so the war continues. Iraq will have its election. Iraqi voters will probably die on election day trying to exercise the very freedom that has been forced on them. More soldiers on both sides will die as well. But hey, we have a Christian running the country right? If you take nothing else from this post please take this... the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan are not the same thing. It wasn't Iraq who flew those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon. Please remember that. - chadgumbo
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Post by Mike on Jan 20, 2005 23:34:35 GMT -5
I don't know what the biggest irony of the 20th century was. OJ Simpson's promise to search for the 'real' killer must rate right up there. But I do believe that the biggest irony of this young new century is that George Bush won the 2004 election because he garnered the morality vote But hey, we have a Christian running the country right? - chadgumbo Thanks Chad. I have strongly thought for a long time now (much longer than just the past four years) that Bush is pretty much the opposite of the Christianity that I was taught. I doubt it will happen but, wouldn't it be sweet if the "Righteous Right" ever wised up enough to realize that they elected the devil himself...Dick Cheney, with his pointy tail, Dubya. And they thought they were electing George! ;D
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